markjovial asked:
Basically, when the 49ers had their dynasty going, did non-49er fans respect their greatness or trash them like most non-Patriot fans think of the Patriots? Also, other than in San Francisco, how did people view Bill Walsh, Joe Montana, and Jerry Rice?
Nathaniel
Basically, when the 49ers had their dynasty going, did non-49er fans respect their greatness or trash them like most non-Patriot fans think of the Patriots? Also, other than in San Francisco, how did people view Bill Walsh, Joe Montana, and Jerry Rice?
Nathaniel
Tags: 49er Fan, 49ers, San Francisco
Did they cheat?…
If not, then probably not as much.
its like with any other dynasty. ppl want to see the winners lose. lots of ppl hated the 9ers. myself, i appreciate dynasties. if a team has the players and the plays to make it happen, they should be rewarded. i like the pats, they’re my fave. i respect the 9ers and what they did. nuff’ said
I cant say everyone hated the 49ers. Growing up, i was a Joe Montana fan, and I loved to see Jerry Rice catch the ball. I am currently a New England fan, but i agree there is a lot of hatred out there against the Patriots. The main reason the Patriots are so hated is because they win alot more than the 49ers even did. They had a 18 game winning streak in 03-04. and a 19 game from 06-now in the regular season. The whole cheating scandal didnt help either. Their image has changed alot. Dont forget, when New England won their 3 out of 4, they were proclaimed Americas Team.
The only people who hated the 49er’s lived in Texas.
Hard to say….I never did…But then again, I don’t now (Hate other teams or players)
I imagine it was the same, you just didn’t have the Internet and forums like you have today to let people say and others hear….
Being a Dallas fan, and being heartbroken by “The Catch” by Dwight Clark, I would have to say even though I hated SF for being a great team, they definitely had MORE CLASS and resoect of other teams. Rice Montana Walsh were class acts and acted professional and most of all did not cheat. Brady, Moss, Belechick all first class arrogant cheating low lifes. Moss post game comments after defeating GIANTS was ripping media, and I dont care if PAtriots win Super Bowl it will always be remembered that they got caught cheating. 1972 Miami Dolphins in my mind should maintain record.
the reason why most people **** the patriots is because of their fans, they never shut up, all they do is spam on here saying the patriots are the best. most aren’t even real fans, before tom brady, before their superbowls, their stadium was always half empty. now, all of sudden, their stadium is always packed, patriot “fans” all over the country.
M Pizzle, what do you mean you’re currently a patriots fan? are you saying once the patriots start losing, once brady retires, once they start rebuilding, you’re going to switch teams?
bostonbucki=bandwagon fan
They were respected among my friends, family and I in Massachusetts. We liked those teams for the same reason we like the Patriots now, a great bunch of teammates who respected each other like family and played very well together. I don’t doubt that Belichick was wrong for taping signals, but in the grand scheme of things, it’s small beans. What people seem to **** most about the Patriots is that when the chips are down, they know how to respond on the field and as men. What Wilfork did last Saturday night is deplorable, but you can bet that he’s already had an earful from his teammates and from his coaching staff–and will probably be fined in a kangaroo court as well as from the league, as he should be… But to be sure, yes, as a non-49ers fan, I enjoyed watching them play when they were great. It was good for the league and for the fans. But they weren’t perfect either. Montana was a good whiner in the early years, but overall that was small beans too. Good luck next year. I hope the ‘Niners return to greatness.
Hey Tiger, don’t forget it was Drew Bledsoe who built Gillette Stadium. Do you remember anything about the 1990′s (since you seem to be sharp with the ’80′s and ’00′s)?
As a matter of fact I did. I was a big Bengals fan as a kid in the early 80′s and after they beat Kenny Anderson and company in the Super Bowl they became public enemy #1 until the late 90′s when they became a threat only to themselves. Suprisingly enough except for Montana (despite or because of his greatness), Rathman, and Romanowski I never hated many of their players. John Taylor was very underrated and it was due in no small part to his great skill that set Rice up for the career he had.
Heck I just wondered if the Patriots would ever get there when they Had Grogan and Eason….85 was nice but the Bears where just so good.
Not everyone hates the Patriots (unless you live in NY or Indianapolis) on the night of their final regular season 34.5 million people tuned in to see what they would be inevitable history . If you claim that haters watch TV too, then how come only 995,000 watched Barry Bonds break Henry Aaron’s record? The Patriots are America’s New Team.
Yes. The 49ers were also cheating back then. Owner Eddie Debartolo (who was later kicked out of the NFL on gambling scams) had his father funneling players from his USFL team to the 49ers. He also cheated on the salary cap by secretely giving Deion Sanders part ownership in a chocolate factory in lieu of pay.
i dont remember ppl hating 49ers…do erember ppl hating steelers and cowboys..but maybe cuz i rooted for 49ers back then!
and i really, really hated the cowboys and steelers!!!! GO PATS!!!!
oops didnt answer rest of question….as an non san francisco person…i loved joe montana and jerry rice and totally respected bill walsh…but mostly i loved joe montana!!!!! he rocked!
I doubt it. Probably not as much, but like I say, “Champions will aways be hated.”
probably because everyone hates teams that are strong and mighty because they are jealous
I am a 49er fan from the John Brodie era. Most of the people I knew did not have any strong negative feelings towards the 49ers except Giants Fans. During the 80′s the 49ers were their nemesis even more than Dallas or the Bears. Unlike Bill B, Coach Walsh sat his players when they were hurt. He cared more about their health after their careers were over.
There were a lot of 49er fans. I live in central Illinois and there were some here. You never hear anyone say they are Patriots fans. Bill Walsh and Montana were likeable. Bilichek is not likeable and Brady is too much of a prettyboy. Spygate really hurt their fan appeal.
Dynasty teams will always have those fans who **** them. Fans who give reasons that the players or team is classless because of how they respond to the media is an invalid remark. there is no rule saying a player or coach must be nice to the media who twists facts around and comments around to get more ratings. sometimes the best teams are the teams who play the game and don’t care about the media. Also as far as spygate goes get over it and you cannot say the previous Super Bowl wins are tainted over the spygate thing because remember this was a brand new rule placed after the 2006 season ended. before this rule it was not illegal to tape just frowned upon so live with it. All 32 teams could be called cheaters in any year based on breaking a brand new rule put in place. but no one talks about those teams because they currently are not winning. the rules of the game have been changed, added and removed since the creation of th NFL as we see it. if i recall the tackling with face mask penalty was not even there in the 70′s so the player would not have been penalized like today. Just accept that the fans **** winning teams mainly those who are rivals of that winning team..
Absolutely not! Bill Walsh built an organization that won with class. But what alot of fans either dont remember or just dont know was that Bill gave more to the NFL than any other coach including Vince Lombardi. He was an innovator, mentor, coach, teacher and administrator. Since the 49ers won Super Bowl 16 in 1981, 10 of the last 25 Super Bowls have been won by Walsh or one of his disciples. Seifert, Holmgren, Shanahan, Gruden and Dungy. Walsh was instrumental in creating openings for minority coaches. And of course he was the one who introduced the West Coast offense to the NFL, which was used by many teams. He also introduced the scripted play calling and developed the pass-catching back. The 49ers because of Roger Craig, Rice and others developed a legendary work ethic of working out during the off-season and training camp. The team also had a philosophy called the 49er way. There was simply a higher expectation of everyone in the organization. The work ethic was incredibly high. Joe Montana? The guy was drafted by the worst team in the NFL. Three years later he was the Super Bowl MVP. Weeks after back surgery, he returns to NFL action. He played his best ball AFTER back surgery, two NFL strikes, a head coaching change, other major injuries and a quarterback controversy involving Steve Young. Ronnie Lott? The guy had part of his finger cut off so he could finish the season. The guy was a warrior in every sense of the word. If you wanted to play along side Ronnie you had to earn his respect. The guys bought into the 49er way to the point that Randy Cross technically played one game in the mid 1980′s without a contract. His had expired and the new one wasn’t quite done. Guys dont even want to play WITH a contract today. Look, if all of you want to get a very unique insight into the 49ers dynasty, I very strongly recommend a book called “We Were Champions” put together by Phil Barber. It’s not written like a regular book. Instead it is a compilation of quotes and comments by many of the former players on the star players, the coaches and the Super Bowl seasons. It’s incredible how these guys saw pro football and the expectations of the owner, the coaches and the fans, as well as the players. Go to your nearest bookstore or online and get it. Its worth it. The one amazing fact I learned was a quote by longtime 49er assistant Bill McPherson. When commenting on Walsh and the coaching there, he said that there were only two or three coaches fired in 23 years, which is unheard of. Walsh developed coaches and sent them out prepared for success. Actually I’m not surprised that fans, other players, announcers and former players share a great dislike for the Patriots. People could take Da Bears and their Super Bowl shuffle. The crass of Jimmy Johnson and the Cowboys could be tolerated. Ray Lewis with his legal troubles and winning the Super Bowl was accepted. Even the Rams behind Kurt Warner, the Greatest Show on Turf, was still interesting to watch and you still respected them for their explosivness. But the Patriots did something this year that simply is not acceptable. They took the strange world of NFL ethics and basically thumbed their noses at it. Cheating, running up the scores, mouthing off. Classless acts. 2007 was a disaster for sports and the NFL. Steroids in MLB. Refs gambling in the NBA. Marion Jones stripped of her medals for drugs. Darrent Williams and Sean Taylor murdered. Losing legendary Bill Walsh and former coach **** Nolan. Thats just to name a few. The Patriots had the chance to step it up like men and win with class. Give people something to cheer about and watch with interest. But they didn’t. They played with a huge chip on their shoulder and for a few measly records. And in 35 years of being a NFL fan I’ve never seen such hatred across the board and across the nation for one team. Makes the black hole at the Oakland Coliseum seem likeable. That’s bad.